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Ashfaq Ahmed ki writings Quran o Hadees ki roshni me hoti hain. Or jis bat pe unho ne ye para likha hai is pe hadees b mojoud hai.

Mjy hadees prhni hy. plz share.
Maaf krna pr mn ap sy agree nae q k mry pas kch questionz hn un k ansrz nae mil rhy.
یہ جو عورت کی ناسمجهی کا گلا کیا جاتا ہے تو درحقیقت یہ اس کی فطری مجبوری ہے

I 100% agree, but agar majbori ko fitrat k tor pe commonly portray kia jane lagay to majbori k name be gunah aam ho jayenge.

Islam ka 3/4 hissa aurat ny dea. wo nasmjh hy?
"Or Mardon ko aurton pe qayem kia gya hai"

Kea BETTY ko MAAN pr fazeelat hy?
Khawateen se mazrat k sath kahonga k agar mene jo kuch Aurat se mutaliq Quran o Ahadees k references parhay hain agar wo me kabi quote ker don to larkio ki bohat dilazari hogi (Jo k nahi honi chahiye cos its not my say its Islam).

Me fisaad k bohat sakht khilaf hon, or is moderate dour me agar mene aisi ahadees mention ker di to larkia to kia larkay b Hadees ko challenge kerne ki khuwahish karenge. So its better only talk when there is real need to talk.

Kea Islam Dilazari krny wala Deen hy? Kea Islam ny aurat ko koe darja nae dea? Kea Islam fassad phylata hy? 
Itna kch kaha gya pechy. Aurat jo k itna sabar krny wali tab b usy BYSABER keh dea gya. Aurat apni khuhishaat ka itna gala ghonttati hy phr b kaha gya k AURAT khuhahish ki puraskaar hy.
Kea abe b zrurat nae hy bat krny ki?

Shabbir bhai, me kisi shaqs pe b blind faith ka qael nahi, Ashfaq Ahmed  mere chahoo k puttar b nahi   but Alhamdolillah, life me research  ki  adat rahi hai. Khawateen se mazrat k sath kahonga k agar mene jo kuch Aurat  se  mutaliq Quran o Ahadees k references parhay hain agar wo me kabi quote ker  don  to larkio ki bohat dilazari hogi (Jo k nahi honi chahiye cos its not my say  its  Islam). Me fisaad k bohat sakht khilaf hon, or is moderate dour me  agar  mene aisi ahadees mention ker di to larkia to kia larkay b Hadees ko  challenge  kerne ki khuwahish karenge. So its better only talk  when there  is real need to talk.

Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah,,,,,,kis kadar dhataie sey yeh biyan sadar farmaya hay burried bhai....Subhan Allah.....bs kuch kehney sey behter hai k ap ko ap k haal par he chord diya jaey...mujhy tu kuch aur he khadsha ho rha hy ap k es bayan sey........Allah reham farmaey sab per !!!

Islam nahi isnan fisaad phelate hain, agar sawalon k jawab chahiyen to research k darwazay khulay hain sab k liye. Jitna ye mamla bigar chuka hai yehi kafi hai. So m not gonna provide further references. Baqi Allah ki raza kis ko kia samaj ati hai.

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KEA YAHAN POINTS KO CLEAR KRNA RESEARCH KA HISSA NAE?

MY CONCLUDING REMARKS:
Shabbir bhai me gender biased hone pe koi believe nahi kerta, Allah ne dono Mard or Aurat ko aik unique muqam dia hai. Allah ka nizam balanced hai, agar mard kisi bat pe bhari hai to aurat ko b parallel power di gai hai. Han mard ko leader of the family zaroor qarar dia gya hai. YEHI WAJA HAI K ME HAMESHA YE KEHTA HON K MASHRAY ZYDA TAR MARDON K BURA HONE KI WAJA SE BIGARTAY HAIN. Ab kia meri statement ka ye matlab liya jaye k me mardon k khilaf hon?


Mard or Aurat koi b dosre k touchy mamlaat me interfere kare to bigar paida hota hai. Han consultancy zaroor honi chahiye. MERI KHAWATEEN SE GUZARISH HAI K IS DISCUSSIONS SE HURT NA HON, YAHAN MOSTLY JIN LOGO NE AURAT K KHILAF COMMENT KIYE WO UNKI ZATI RAYE NAHI THI WO DEENI GUIDANCE PE BASED HI THAY JAHAN HAMARA BAS NAHI CHALTA. Ashfaq Ahmed's above words are his interpretation in the light of a hadeeth. You may disagree with the interpretation but not with the crux. But ladies please trust us, its not the hatred against women that we are sharing, the discussion is exactly about the topic in the light of Islam.

Han mard ko leader of the family zaroor qarar dia gya hai.

Agree to the abov statment.
I m requestng again . I need hadith plz share.

Agar ap tahammul sey parh lain tu mashkoor hon ga...aur ap apny views dein tu yakeenan mujhy bhi kuch islah ka mauqa mil jaey ga.

1) kiya koi yeh bta sakta hy k quote kiya gya Ashfaq Ahmad ka bayan kis book sey liya gaya aur es biyan ka siyaq o sabaq kiya tha??? then will be easy for everyone to understand...

yeh quote mein ney lakh martaba dekhi hy fb per gardish kerti...

2) ek or bat bari ajeeb c lagti hy mujhy k aurat ko tedhee paslee sey paida kiya gya??? please koi es per kuch roshni dal dey...

3) Koi hadees parh kar clarity mangay yani es niyyat sey k woh es ko smjhna chahta hy tu phir tu koi harj nhi...mgr koi yeh comparison kary k quraan o hadees mein yeh hy aur falan aadmi yeh keh rha or Aadmee sahee keh rha tu yeh iman ki kamzori hy ess amal ko review kerna chahiye..

4) sarf e nazar tmam comments k aur es oper wali quote k... koi umhat ul momeneen ko parh lay tu i think yeh ap sab per wazeh ho jaey ga k aurat ka muqam kiya hy or woh kiya hy.

Hazrat Abu Mosa RA bayan kartey hein k ham ashab e rasool SAW k liye jab kabhi bhi koi Hadees mushkil ho jati tu ham ummul mo'meneen hazrat Ayesha RA sey es k baray mein pochtey tu in k haan es hadees ka sahee Ilm paa laitey !!! (imam tirmizi)


5) ek bar ek canadian girl k views sunny about eastern men and women, she said, " eastern men znd women are very emotional and mostly fell in love and thinks only about the genders.'' Although i argued at that time, but during my stay at this site i found its bit true. Still we are trying to find gender position and trying to compare both, which is ridiculous ...

agar ap western women ki life ko movies etc say kuch dair bahir nikal ker dekhein you will find they are different than what is stated above , and i hope k ap mein sey koi es topic per un sey argue kerey tu shyed ap two three lines sey zyada nhi bol pao gey...

6) kuch logon ney yeh tak comments kiye hyn k aurat mard ki jageer etc or mard hakim hy,,,i request k please agar Quran sey quote kertey hyn tu complete siyaq o sabaq ko smjh ker phir he quote karain.... ku k yeh bat nature k against hy. Islam mein bartari aur foqiyat sirf aur sirf Taqwa ki bunyad par hai, geneder base nhi hy aur agar aurat ko mard ki mehkoom kehna hota tu aurat ik maa na hoti aur Hazrat Muhammad SAW ki wifes ko Umhatul mo'meneen na kaha jata.... So please i request you all before quoting something think 100 times.

baqi phir sahee.......

Ye lain janab iOS bhai, me mazeed detail me jana to nahi chahta tha still kuch or clarity ho jayegi sabko:

Surah Nisa: Ayah 33

اور ہم نے ہر اُس ترکے کے حق دار مقرر کر دیے ہیں جو والدین اور رشتہ دار چھوڑیں اب رہے وہ لوگ جن سے تمہارے عہد و پیمان ہوں تو ان کا حصہ انہیں دو، یقیناً اللہ ہر چیز پر نگراں ہے 

Surah Nisa: Ayah 34

مرد عورتوں پر قوام ہیں، اس بنا پر کہ اللہ نے اُن میں سے ایک کو دوسرے پر فضیلت دی ہے، اور اس بنا پر کہ مرد اپنے مال خرچ کرتے ہیں پس جو صالح عورتیں ہیں وہ اطاعت شعار ہوتی ہیں اور مردوں کے پیچھے اللہ کی حفاظت و نگرانی میں اُن کے حقوق کی حفاظت کرتی ہیں اور جن عورتوں سے تمہیں سرکشی کا اندیشہ ہو انہیں سمجھاؤ، خواب گاہوں میں اُن سے علیحدہ رہو اور مارو، پھر اگر تم وہ تمہاری مطیع ہو جائیں تو خواہ مخواہ ان پر دست درازی کے لیے بہانے تلاش نہ کرو، یقین رکھو کہ اوپر اللہ موجود ہے جو بڑا اور بالا تر ہے

Surah Nisa: Ayah 35

اور اگر تم لوگوں کو کہیں میاں اور بیوی کے تعلقات بگڑ جانے کا اندیشہ ہو تو ایک حَکم مرد کے رشتہ داروں میں سے اور ایک عورت کے رشتہ داروں میں سے مقرر کرو، وہ دونوں اصلاح کرنا چاہیں گے تو اللہ اُن کے درمیان موافقت کی صورت نکال دے گا، اللہ سب کچھ جانتا ہے اور باخبر ہے

Qawwam ka meaning mukhtalif ulema ne Hakim, Muhafiz, Muntazim, Musallat likha hai. Zyda ne Hakim k meaning me likha hai. Wallaho A'alam Ap ne jo Hazrat Ayesha (RA) wali bat quote ki hai wo again out of context hai cos yahan Ummahatul Momineen ki bat nahi ho rahi aam aurton ki bat ho rahi hai or me apko is pe b Quran Pak ka aik reference de sakta hon. Laikin its better k is discussion ka hodge podge na bane, pehle b hum kafi odd level pe aa chukayhain. 

Burried bhai thanks for all detail...

Thodi dair k liye es mukammal surah ki traslation phir sey parhiye, or yeh jannay ki koshish kijiye k es surah ka nazol kyo hua tha aur basic maqsad kiya tha es surah ka:

Es surah ka core purpose ik muslim society ka qyam hy aur aurton k rights par bat kee gaie hai.. a humble request k chezon ko sahee context mein sochna seekhiye ... Allah sab ko sahee smjhney ki taufeeq dey Aameen.

 

Ayah no 33:

es ayah ka link ayah 32 sey hay jis mein mard ki kamaie mein aurat k hissay k baray main btaya gya hy or ayah 33 mein btaya hy k jis ka bhi jo hissa ho haq ho ossey do.

Ayah no, 34:

Al-Rijaalu Qawwamoona Alannisaa'ee : Qawwamon kyo kaha gya hy yahan? es pori surah aur es particular ayat mein mard ko qawwam kaha gya hy k mard ghar ka kharch chalata hy, kamata or ghar walon ko khilata hay, es ka hargiz matlab yeh nhi hy k hakim hy relating to your particular wording and the above discussion topic. nor na he kahein par aurton k sochnay ya smjhnay ki salahiyat par kuch kaha gya hy. aur yad rakhiye qawwam kaha hy mard ko tu yeh ik responsibility hai agar ap es ko sahee maa'ney mein nibhao gey nahie tu pooch ap sey bhi honi hy...

 

Ab reh gaie bat k aurat ko saza k deney k barey mein bhi btaya gya hy, magar kin aurton ko? sb ko? nhi sb ko nhi . sirf un ko jo bey rah ravi par hon.

es tarha tu aisay mardon k baray mein bhi saza ka hukam hai.

Ayah no 35:

es ayah mein bhi aurat or mard k beech ghlat fehmi ko handle karnay ka btaya gya hy na k aurat ko neecha ya mard ko bartar btaya gya hy.

Shayed ap ney context wali bat par ik last or ik next ayah quote kee hy, but context broader hota hai..kabhi sirf ik ayah jod deney sey context nhi banta hy kyo ik bat chal rhi hoti hai or osey smjhney k liye kafi door tak jana parta hy....itna asaan ho sab smjhna tu shyed sab kuch asani sey hazam ho jata.

Mujhy intehaie afsos hua hy k ap k sb references mein sey kisi ka link bhi dicussion sey nhi hy jis ki base par auraton k andaz e soch ya kisi aur tarha sey un ko neecha ya kamtar dekhaya gya ho,,,Baqi ab Allah janta hy k ap chezon ko sirf apni he ainak sey dekhtey ho ya kisi dosrey ki bat smjhney ki bhi slahiyat hai ap mein.....Still agar na smjh aey tu burried bhai kisi aalim etc sey kuch wqt nikal kar smjh lain yeh basic chezein hyn...

 

 Ayesha (RA) wali bat quote ki hai wo again out of context hai cos yahan  Ummahatul Momineen ki bat nahi ho rahi aam aurton ki bat ho rahi hai or me apko  is pe b Quran Pak ka aik reference de sakta hon. Laikin its better k is  discussion ka hodge podge na bane, pehle b hum kafi odd level pe aa  chukayhain.


Aik bat yad rakhiye k ap aurat ko discuss karain gey tu kisi taur ham un auraton ko nhi bhula saktey jo hmaray liye sahee tarha sey mishal e rah hain. yah mein second time ap sey sun rha hon, first time mere bhai ney kaha tha k kuch dair k liye islam ko side per rakh kar bat karo,,,ab ap yeh farma rahay hain ,,,, Burried bhai, Alhamdulillah mujhy Allah ney muslam bnaya hy ik sharf bakhsha hy mein es ko farz'an aur as example etc bhi nhi chord sakta hon.....appologise agar apko yeh bat buri lagi ho...

Hodeg podge {Allah apko apki en lines ki apko smjhney ki taufeeq dey Aameen}

Akhri request ap sey yeh hy mere bhai: Har comment par yeh rona k discussion sey out bola ja rha hy tu i request apna mind thoda sa broad kar liya karain ku k har ik ki sochney or smjhney ki slahiyat alag hoti hai ik line per he nhi lga hota har koi... ap ko kisi bat ka link na smjh aey tu banda hazir e khidmat hay poch liya karain,,,

 

I appologise if somewhere you feel harsh words..jab k aisa kuch nhi hai....motive sirf itna hai k chezon ko un k sahee meanings mein sahee context mein lay kar argue kiya jaey aur bina smjhey ahadees aur quranic verses ko quote na kiya jaey !!!!

Thanks and regards..........

Thanx for your offer but i understand Ulemas are better competent and their various translations are good enough for me to adopt a view point. I have consulted translations of about 5 ulemas (all agreed upon), whom absolutely have read the context of this Surah/Ayahs. What i understand is that every verse of Quran has authenticity. Whatever you said is your own interpretation, and you may better live with it. Neither I am nor you are competent to decide which one is right.

Well, my optimal decision is to go with Ulema's view cos as an ordinary man, I dont want to have its mis-interpretatary onus on me on the day of judgement.

mein ulema ki bat nhi kee hy,, na he ap ki translation par koi aitraz kiya hy. lafzee ma'nee mein aur tafseer mein farak hota hai.. even agr lafzee ma'anee bhi liye jaein tab bhi woh different hai os point sey jo ap rais kar rhy ho......jo main ney points likhey hain un main kiya ghalat nazar aya hy apko???? ap ney still Surah An Nissa ka theme nhi btaya hy k kyo yeh nazil hui...Quran ki har surah har ayah ik khas time ik khas background sey he nazil hui thee ta k chezon ko smjha ja sakay...

 

Burried bhai yeh simply mein na manu wali bat hai nothing else..

agar ap mein na manu par arey hain tu as u wish...

mujhy in ulema ka name zarur btaey jin logon ney ap ko yeh context dey rakha hai, i want to consult them ...

 

Aur still i request you Quran ki verses ko ik tasalsul mein ik context mein he smjha jata hy.... bht sari aisi batein jo agar context mein na smjhee jaien tu bht kuch khrab kar deti hain,,, Allah apko smjhney ki taufeeq dey...aameen

 

Mazeed kuch hai tu quote kijiye ta k kuch seekha jaey ap say...

 

 

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