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Since I am a small mind, so m going to discuss people today...

Nobody is indispensable in this world so was Zakki. We all have to leave even the world someday but the question is how would we like to leave the world?




As a nation, we dont use to commit mistakes, we use to commit blunders. Recent two discussions started by zakki, were ended with a mess....

1. https://vustudents.ning.com/forum/topics/attempt-to-commit-suicide-...

2. https://vustudents.ning.com/forum/topics/topic-nill

As a national habit we forget our mistakes and know a lot about others. So why not to join together right after the eve of Shab-e-barat and honestly, openly accept what we have done wrong. How should we handle zakki's venoming questions and also tell zakki where he was wrong so that by chance he could get something to learn or others could learn from our discussion.

Do you know, what is the greatest loss in life?

Here is my view:

As the above quote says, "when a relationship dies inside us, while we are alive", if we were being a good Muslim, we would have some guilty feelings about how many relations we have murdered inside us so far (its his murder if someone left ning bcos of you), did we ever think how many un-burried relations are rotting inside us and making us more filthy? Rishtay to ahsas k hotay hain bas...

Now, I request all of Zakki's friends and foes to step forward and talk about all of his strengths and weaknesses. ESPECIALLY REQUEST HIS CLOSE FRIENDS TO TALK ABOUT HIS GOOD TRAITS. Let's learn humanity by initiating this case study! We can openly talk about how to loose or retain a relation. May be it could help us not loose another one....

I would especially request Amir & Malika Eman to come forward and help our friends learn something precious from your mature perceptions. Everyone is welcome who can positively contribute....

P.S. Zakki was never my friend, chatted him twice only, last night i gave him little pinching advices and that's all. But i always considered him as an asset for this site. If need arises, this discussion will be deleted later on.

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شکیل بھائی 

یہ ٹھیک ہے؟

Thanks Amir bhai for being so considerate and caring. It is perfectly fine to me. Love u and thanks again


منتہی یہ ہمارا گمان ہی ہے اور ہمیں اپنے گمان ک بنیاد پراپنے رویے نہیں متعین کرنے چاہیے۔ ہمیں کسی بھی ممکن بات کے لیے سپیس رکھنی چاہیے۔

muntaha is right. Coz, he raised many times such odd study related ques which seemed to like no purpose but kisi na kisi point pr unka taluq zaroor hota tha..

Wonderful assessment Amir bhai, very helpful to sum up this discussion


Jazak Allah for your participation.

Excellent A ع M ا I م R ر 

نہایت مثبت اور متوازن تحریر سے آپ نے ٹچ دیا اس ڈسکشن کو 
بہت اچھا انداز بیاں .. "سانپ بھی مر گیا اور لاٹھی بھی نہ ٹوٹی " تھمب اپ


Friends, we have carried out very constructive and fruitful discussion so far. Every discussion, experience or any writing must have lessons learnt/conclusions etc.

So, friends i would like that we all must contribute our lessons learnt from this discussion and we should also suggest to each other that how we could overcome these short falls or adhere the suggested points.

Friends, one very important thing that i by the virtue of being a soldier use military touch in my comments. Please excuse me for this . Hope u people will understand my limitation.

 Fighting Falcon Shakeel 

اور سپاہی کا کام بیرونی جارحیت کو روکنا ہوتا ہے

تمام دوستوں کے تعریفی کلمات کا شکریہ۔۔۔۔ پلیز ہاتھ ہولا رکھیں ۔۔ ماڑی جان ہے 

براہ مہربانی اسکی وضاحت چاہتی ہوں.

ہمارا ذہن اگر سوال تخلیق کر سکتا ہے تو جواب بھی نکال سکتا ہے ۔ یقین کریں اگر آپ کے ذہن نے بہت اعلی سطح کا سوال اٹھایاہے تو آپکا ذہن میں اسکا جواب بھی ضرور پوشیدہ ہے۔

یہ ایک شعوری کوشش ہوتی ہے کہ جس علم ، تجربہ، وجدان اور مشاہدے کی بنیاد پر آپ کے ذہن نے سوال اٹھایا ہے اسی علم، تجربہ، وجدان اور مشاہدے میں اسکا جواب کا بھی لنک ہوتا ہے ورنہ وہ  سوال آپ کے ذہن میں پیدا ہی نہ ہوتا۔ 

 یہ جواب  مربوط شکل میں نہیں ہوتا اسکو مربوط کرنے کے لیے یا یوں کہ لیں کے جواب ڈھونڈنے کے لیے ہمیں شعوری کوشش کرنی پڑتی ہے۔ مگر ہم وہ نہیں کرتے۔ ہم کہتے ہیں فلاں سے پوچھ لیں اسکو کہتے ہیں اپنا سوال دوسرے کے سر پر تھوپ دینا۔ اگلے نے بھی جواب آپ کے علم ، تجربہ ، وجدان اور مشاہدے کی ایسسمنٹ کر کے دینا ہے۔ تو بہتر نہیں وہ ہم خود کر لیں۔


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