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Since I am a small mind, so m going to discuss people today...

Nobody is indispensable in this world so was Zakki. We all have to leave even the world someday but the question is how would we like to leave the world?

Humiliated?

or

Gracefully?

As a nation, we dont use to commit mistakes, we use to commit blunders. Recent two discussions started by zakki, were ended with a mess....

1. https://vustudents.ning.com/forum/topics/attempt-to-commit-suicide-...

2. https://vustudents.ning.com/forum/topics/topic-nill

As a national habit we forget our mistakes and know a lot about others. So why not to join together right after the eve of Shab-e-barat and honestly, openly accept what we have done wrong. How should we handle zakki's venoming questions and also tell zakki where he was wrong so that by chance he could get something to learn or others could learn from our discussion.

Do you know, what is the greatest loss in life?

Here is my view:

As the above quote says, "when a relationship dies inside us, while we are alive", if we were being a good Muslim, we would have some guilty feelings about how many relations we have murdered inside us so far (its his murder if someone left ning bcos of you), did we ever think how many un-burried relations are rotting inside us and making us more filthy? Rishtay to ahsas k hotay hain bas...

Now, I request all of Zakki's friends and foes to step forward and talk about all of his strengths and weaknesses. ESPECIALLY REQUEST HIS CLOSE FRIENDS TO TALK ABOUT HIS GOOD TRAITS. Let's learn humanity by initiating this case study! We can openly talk about how to loose or retain a relation. May be it could help us not loose another one....

I would especially request Amir & Malika Eman to come forward and help our friends learn something precious from your mature perceptions. Everyone is welcome who can positively contribute....

P.S. Zakki was never my friend, chatted him twice only, last night i gave him little pinching advices and that's all. But i always considered him as an asset for this site. If need arises, this discussion will be deleted later on.

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Amir cent percent agree to you laikin sawal ka jawab insani shaoor me abstract form me hota hai (as u said) or har kisi me ye capacity nahi hoti k wo is abstract form ko extract kr sakta ho. Warna hadayat yafta log zyda hotay or gumrah kam. So sahibe ilm logo se sawal kerne se hi ye confusions door hoti hain. Yehi Quran kehta hai k agar tum nahi jantay to sahib e ilm logo se poch lo (Mafhoom).

"har kisi me ye capacity nahi hoti k wo is abstract form ko extract kr sakta ho."

Exactly..

اسی وجہ سے میں نے پہلے کہا کہ یہ ایک شعوری کوشش ہوتی ہے۔  جب آپ اس عمل کو اپنے سوچنے کے ماڈل پہ لاگو کر دیتے ہیں تو آپ کی یہ صلاحیت خودبخود پالش ہو نا شروع ہو جاتی ہے۔

اہل علم سے پوچھنے سے انکار نہیں۔ یہ تو بہت ضروری ہےلیکن یہ ضروری نہیں کہ اہل علم  کا جواب آپ کو مطمئن کر دے۔ اطمینان کے لیے بہر حال آپ کو خود کوشش کرنی پڑے گی۔

"جواب ڈھونڈنے کے لیے ہمیں شعوری کوشش کرنی پڑتی ہے۔"

no doubt..

لیکن ایسا بھی تو ہو سکتا ہے ک ہمارا شعور صحیح جواب ڈھونڈھنے سے قاصر ہو..مطلب ہر انسان کا شعوری لیول ایک سا نہیں ہوتا

حضرت ابراہیم  علیہ اسلام نے پہلے سوچا کے سورج خدا ہو سکتا ہے لیکن وہ جب غروب ہوا تو آپ نے کہا خدا کی یہ صفت نہیں ہو سکتی ۔۔۔ پھر ایک چمکتے ہوۓ ستارے کو دیکھا اس کو خدا سمجھ بیٹھے لیکن صبح کو  وہ ستارہ جب غائب ہوا تو سمجھ گۓ کہ یہ بھی جواب نہیں میرے سوال کا۔

یہ ہے شعوری کوشش اور لیبارٹری ٹیسٹ

jazakAllah well defined..

کس سے سوال کا جواب پوچھنے کے لیے سب سے بہتر طریفہ یہ ہوتا ہے کہ ہم اسکے سامنے اپنا سوال رکھیں اور اپنا مفروضہ یعنی ممکن جواب بھی رکھیں۔

وہ یا تو آپ کے جواب کو صحیح قرار دے گا یا پھر اس میں ترمیم کروا دے گا کہ یہ صحیح ہے۔ یعنی ایک طرح سے آپکے سوچے ہوۓ جواب کا لیباٹری ٹیسٹ ہو جاۓ گا۔

Kio thaktay ho bhai, ye koi course work to nahi na Keep calm, its almost near to completion.

oh please ppl stop this now for god sake

Maxis bhai, hosla, please.

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Please lock this discussion for further comments to avoid confusion and conclude it.

Aamir bhai, lets conclude this discussion with positive note and with few things (DO's and DON'Ts) and promises.

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